goose 6:04 Thu Mar 28
Excess Deaths
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Why are so few people in the media talking about this?
Article in The Lancet from Jan this year highlighted "Many countries, including the UK, have continued to experience an apparent excess of deaths long after the peaks associated with the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 and 2021.1,2 Numbers of excess deaths estimated in this period are considerable."
25-49 year olds the number of excess deaths was 11% higher, while 50-64 years olds the increase was 15%.
the main cause of death driving these results is cardiovascular diseases.
50-64 year olds saw a 33% higher than expected rate of excess deaths from cardiovascular disease.
is it the after effects of COVID?
is it the jab?
or is there something else going on that is leading to the deaths of thousands of young and middle aged people?
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WHU(Exeter)
6:10 Thu Mar 28
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Given the amount of times the BBC have banged on about them, my guess is e-cigs.
Think quite a bit might be down to post-Covid. Some people seemed to have relished not being able to go out and WFH and the percentage of unhealthy lazy people has probably increased in both the laziness levels and percentage.
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ForeverHammers
6:22 Thu Mar 28
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On the ONS site it shows in 2024 actual deaths recorded were lower than the expected deaths predicted in pretty much every week of reporting so far.
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bruuuno
6:22 Thu Mar 28
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BREXIT
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BRANDED
6:25 Thu Mar 28
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During covid it was fat cunts. Ant imagine its much different.
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goose
6:27 Thu Mar 28
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should have posted the link:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(23)00221-1/fulltext
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WHU(Exeter)
6:54 Thu Mar 28
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Putin, global warming, the British Empire, e-cigarettes, people going on holiday on planes.
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BRANDED
6:57 Thu Mar 28
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All the sick cunts on benefits. Probably fat too.
https://data.spectator.co.uk/welfare
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WHU(Exeter)
7:01 Thu Mar 28
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They each have a story to tell.
thankfully BBC Morning Live gives them a fantastic platform.
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Nagel
7:14 Thu Mar 28
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Since this article was written, the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities, which created the model for these stats, have completely changed the way they analyse and report on this data.
The old way reported 2023 as having 5% excess deaths, including 9% in the 25-49 age group.
The new way reports 2023 as having 2% excess deaths, including -3% in the 25-49 age group.
So, yeah, this is just another example of statistics being a load of old bollocks.
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goose
9:23 Thu Mar 28
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Interesting Nagel.
So have they been getting wrong all these years, or just a ‘different’ way of viewing the data?
Bit like what constitutes a ‘recession’ in the US.
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Mike Oxsaw
10:44 Thu Mar 28
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Did they not recalculate all the previous data using the new paradigm to allow a proper comparioson to be made (by Joe Public)?
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PwoperNaughtyButNot
11:33 Thu Mar 28
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Luckily they have recalibrated how excess deaths are counted so good news for all those families that lost loved ones - they didn’t die according to new official data which is better than the old official data.
In our lifetime there will be some lengthy prison sentences. Another 5 to 10 years and I think even the most compliant bbc / cnn consumer will begin to twig.
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BRANDED
11:38 Thu Mar 28
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It's just data. Unless it really indicates that lock downs and vaccines for the healthy were a big mistake.
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riosleftsock
11:53 Thu Mar 28
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Its worth remembering that when this first hit, one of the first things the govt did was to draw up a new set of guidelines for Ofcom that every broadcaster had to sign up to. this has never been rescinded.
The second was changing the dictionary definition of the word "vaccine".
Nothing to look at really.
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On The Ball
11:53 Thu Mar 28
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Why do we need people and the media speculating over things they don't understand? The NHS knows and is relatively comfortable with it.
Chronic underfunding generally, chronic underfunding in the ambulance service, conditions undiagnosed and late-diagnosed due to COVID, health inequalities (big thing I'm working on at the moment), general declining health..... lots of factors that while they're not good, they're also not a single thing to be concerned about (like the thing too many want it to be).
And watch the ONS video about the change in the way it's done. It's perfectly sensible. The video is worded nice and simple in the hope that people would find it harder to deliberately misunderstand it.
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riosleftsock
12:03 Fri Mar 29
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OtB
Its called free speech, some people may not like it, but its important. All civil rights depend on this principle.
The NHS as a whole behaved appalingly during COVID. That doesn't mean that people in the NHS didn't work hard, they did. So did supermarket workers and binmen.
The NHS is a massive sponge on the economy and should never have been allowed to become politicised.
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BRANDED
12:34 Fri Mar 29
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Chronic underfunding generally
NHS England will have £164.9 billion this year.
Fucking imbecile
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Matthew Holmes
12:36 Fri Mar 29
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Something fishy going on and a sign of the times they'd rather cover it up than investigate. Which makes me think they know what's going on.
I reckon the vaccine has some role in it, but also the NhS going down th3 tubes and probably lots of other things.
Shocking that its not being treated seriously.
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Matthew Holmes
12:45 Fri Mar 29
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There is these reports of weird rubbery clots forming in the arteries.
Never existed before 2021. Nothing never.
There is an undertaker talking about it on YOuTube the excellently named John O'Looney.
Also dr john Campbells channel has tonnes on this now, but at the start of the pandemic he was 100% in line with the official advice. He seems to genuinely have followed the science.
Tinfoil hat on!
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zico
2:13 Fri Mar 29
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Matthew Holmes 12:45 Fri Mar 29
Saw that interview and then looked up John O'Looney and turns out he was a massive anti Vaxxer and covid denier from the start. Or at least he thought it was nothing more than a cold until he ended up in intensive care after catching it and rather humbly admitted to his followers that it can be a tad nasty! Not saying he is wrong but on both sides of the coin there seem to be people with certain agendas and quite frankly it becomes difficult on who to believe. Middle of the road experts don't seem to exist! At the start of it all I used to watch John Campbell and he seemed the voice of reason and most people in the comments seemed regular concerned citizens but since he has changed tack there are a lot of far out views on there. Of course these You Tubers can make a lot of money so the more radical I suspect the more views they get.
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